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Post by astralwitchling on May 14, 2016 15:37:14 GMT
okay gang i need your help, i'm really interested in learning to astral travel but all the 'guides' i've read are confusing me
I understand that you have to be relaxed and kind of in a state of meditation, but it's actually leaving your body that i don't understand. Many methods suggest using the 'rope technique' where you imagine yourself climbing out of your body by pulling on a rope, but (and i really don't want to sound rude or close minded) isn't that just imagination then? I mean, aren't you just imagining everything that happens? I'm not sure how to properly word this but it's like I can vividly imagine myself walking downstairs to get a glass of water, but I know that isn't astral travel.
I don't even know what I'm asking anymore, I've confused myself too much.
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Post by treehousetiff on May 14, 2016 19:25:15 GMT
From what I've read, most books consider an out of body experience (OOBE) to be the same as astral travel. I astral travel, but I've never had an OOBE, mostly because I cannot sit still and meditate, which is essential for this particular technique. I practice "active meditation", where I am doing a task that has the same steps each time and is something I'm very familiar with so I can rely on muscle memory to perform it. The task helps "distract" my brain so I'm not overthinking things or dealing with racing thoughts, which is a big problem for me when I try a form of meditation which requires me to sit still or lay down. As far as imagination plays into it, you have to remember that your brain is interpreting what is going on in the astral and translating it into a form that your conscious mind can understand. For me, I am clairsentient (clear feeling, not to be confused with empathic, which I'm not), and claircognizant (clear knowing), but when I astral travel, I see and hear what is going on because my conscious mind can't properly understand the input I'm getting astrally. So yes, imagination plays a part, but I have figured out the signs that mean I'm on an astral trip and not just imagining it all. What really helped me is writing down any time I daydreamed/astral traveled. What happened, how I felt, how the thoughts were structured, every detail I could remember. This helped me find the signs for astral travel (and when a daydream turned into a trip lol), as well as helped my recall in general. And don't worry if you think it's not working at first. It took me a long time to figure out I wasn't clairvoyant, and my brain was trying to help by giving me pictures! Anyways, that's how I "do astral stuff", and I'm more than happy to answer questions, either here or via message!  |
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Post by driftwoodinthesun on May 21, 2016 15:18:59 GMT
So from my experience, you don't have to actually leave your body entirely (which is what most techniques and guides are gonna talk about). Instead, you can have a part of your consciousness leave, it kind of splits. I think that might be easier to start with. I find myself travelling sometimes when I am driving, or sitting in traffic, doing the dishes and things like that. That approach is very much like daydreaming, and might make you wonder if you're just imagining things or if it's really happening (which, treehousetiff gives a good advice on that~). Also, this approach also might give you.. less intense "feelings" and perception of the astral, because your full consciousness won't be there - just a part of it. I think you should check out this link here that talks about two different approaches to reaching astral, including the one I do. The original poster changed urls, but here's a reblogged version: driftwood-in-the-sun.tumblr.com/post/135468015497/astral-guide-starter-pack |
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Post by Askele on May 21, 2016 21:28:11 GMT
Soo I wonder if astral travel is much like intense daydreaming. When I looked into Daemonism, Tulpamancy etc I was introduced to the concept of headspaces/mindscapes and so I started building mine as a place where I could work on and communicate with my thoughtforms.
You know sometimes, when you're going about your day, and you get so into a daydream you almost don't see what's in front of you but you still have awareness and can snap out of the daydream at any time? I remember I achieved that sort of state during meditation a couple of times. What I saw was a lot like a dream - don't know about everyone else but dreams for me are visually less colourful, darker. As if someone has turned the brightness down really low.
So that's what I managed to achieve a few times, quite a while ago too. Is that what you guys call astral travelling? For me it's visiting my headspace where I've designed multiple... locations, if you like, that I've visualised so many times - one place I have is a large bedroom where I go to relax, and I've visited that place so many times during meditation I know the exact placing of everything in the room, the colours of the furniture, the patterns, etc.
When I think of astral travel I think of going 'outwards' but what I actually do is go 'inwards' (or that's what it feels like)
This post got pretty long but yeah, any thoughts on that? I feel like I have a very different approach to things because I learned about Daemonism and Tulpamancy before I learned about witchcraft and spiritual shamanism-related stuff.
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Post by driftwoodinthesun on May 22, 2016 3:18:20 GMT
Soo I wonder if astral travel is much like intense daydreaming. When I looked into Daemonism, Tulpamancy etc I was introduced to the concept of headspaces/mindscapes and so I started building mine as a place where I could work on and communicate with my thoughtforms. Askele, yeah I think it can be! First of all, I LOVE mindspaces, that's my jam right there. So a massive high five on that  And that's exactly how I work with astral, but I usually don't meditate (or well.. not deeply) to reach that state. I do focus though, and it there's too much noise in my head, I won't be able to go there. Also, for me going to the mind space using that "daydream" method is similar to what you describe, except it's not dimmed, but rather.. blurry. Like, I cannot see the entire picture in front of me, I can focus on details. But when I try to see everything, my "sight" gets too overwhelmed to process it all at once. I felt so uncomfortable with that at first, but then I found that little link that I posted in my previous comment and it's just.. validation. Yes. Regarding outward/inward, I think a lot of people use their mindspace as a starting point for their astral trip? And I do think that our.. *self* that we can access through mind space, and our place there is more like our private property *in* the astral, rather than something separated from it, or located in our physical body. That would explain why it's so easy to go astralling from one's mindspace. So yeah, I absolutely think that it qualifies as astral travel. |
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Post by Askele on May 22, 2016 9:37:39 GMT
Thanks Drift, I'll check out that link when I get home (on phone right now)
It's kind of strange, actually, that what I thought was simply daydreaming can be called astral travel? Like, what's the difference?
For me a place doesn't have to be quiet, but if there's noise then it has to be continuous. It's much easier to tune out crowd noises that merge into one than a few people talking. I also put in my earphones a lot when I'm travelling on my own and I play songs that I've heard so many times I can sort of tune them out as well and that gets rid of any other noises that might distract me.
Does anyone have any ideas about daydreaming and astral travel? And I mean the kind of daydream you get completely lost in
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Post by driftwoodinthesun on May 22, 2016 21:31:16 GMT
Well, I think not all daydreaming would be considered astral travel but what you have described sounds like it to me. I think there are subtle differences there, in a daydream you have full and complete control over everything that's going on. but when you are astralling, you only have control over some things. There are might be things that you don't expect coming up, stuff like that? When you leave and then visit the area again it might have changed and not be exactly the same as how you left it. And in my experience with my mind space, while I do have control over everything, after I've set things up and it has "solidified", changing things takes more effort. And if I 'plant' a forest and leave it for a week, and then come back, it might have shifted and changed, grew in some places, died in the others without me willing it to do that. Something like that~
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